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The following is an excerpt from the Minutes of the meeting of NSW Southern
Motoring Association Inc. Held at Yass, Saturday, 2nd April, 2016
And contains important information about registration and log books.

Matters Arising from the Minutes

The Chairman Phil Mudie acknowledged there were some matters arising from the
Minutes and these would be dealt with during the course of the meeting. Specifically,
the Heavy Vehicle Forum, the requirement for Pink Slip inspections for vehicles that will
be registered under the Classic Vehicle Scheme (CVS), membership fees for the SMA,
and SMA Roadshows.

Report: The Log Book Scheme

At this stage 80% of the motoring clubs registered with the RMS have taken up the Log
Book option (over 600 clubs), so the scheme has been widely accepted throughout
NSW. There were teething problems early in the piece as some RMS offices were not
sufficiently prepared.
Still some confusion over H plate vehicles, with a Log Book, doing maintenance runs.
RMS needs to clarify this. In the interim, enter maintenance runs on the Log Book.
Historic trailers and caravans can be registered on the HCRS (H plate) and Log Book
schemes providing they are original. Some club By Laws require they be towed by
historic vehicles for reasons of compatibility and “in the spirit" of historic motoring.
RMS are very much against campervans and converted buses using the Log Book
scheme and this will be made clearer With the introduction of CVS.
The Certificate of Approved Operations form has insufficient space to list secondary
forms as RMS computers only allow 50 characters. Some “helpful” RMS offices manage
to use club abbreviations to get around the problem.
Non club members can drive vehicles registered under HCRS/Log Books, and in
compliance with the insurance coverage. The “Registered Operator” listed at the
Certificate of Operations refers to the owner of the vehicle. The meeting heard from
some delegates that their club ByLaws do not allow non-members to drive such
vehicles. This issue is an individual club matter.
The present RMS printed sheet of paper provided as a Log Book came in for criticism
from delegates. It is an example of how under-prepared the RMS were for the new
scheme. Hopefully a proper log book, similar to that issued in Victoria, will soon appear.

Australian Confederation of Motor Clubs (ACMC)

Phil Mudie briefed the meeting on the formation and composition of the ACMC. It was
formed around 2012 by drawing together a number of independent NSW motoring
The ACMC now comprises seven peak bodies (associations/councils), of which the
NSWSMA is one of the largest. The purpose of the ACMC is to represent all types of
motoring enthusiasts in NSW; hot rods, street rods, classic and historic vehicles, 4WD
enthusiasts and motor cyclists. These are the CMC, NSWSMA, ACTCMC, ANSMA, MCC,
SRF and NSW/ACT4WD. The seven associations/councils represent just over 500 clubs
in NSW, so the ACMC is therefore working for all types of motoring enthusiast in NSW.
President Phil Mudie attends the monthly meetings of the ACMC, and they are held in Sydney.
The concerns of our heavy vehicle enthusiasts have been presented by the NSWSMA,
but the ACMC were not previously aware of their concerns because the machinery
clubs have never been represented at this level in NSW.

The Classic Vehicle Scheme Management

The introduction of the CVS will see a new system of management introduced by
agreement with the RMS and the ACMC. This is expected to be based on the
arrangement established in 2014 between CAMS and the RMS. In fact there are now
two organisations representing rally vehicle drivers (CAMS and AMSAG) under this
agreement. Their conditional registration scheme is called the Rally Vehicles Scheme
(RVS), and the relevant MOU is available on the RMS website.
lf as expected, a similar MOU is produced between RMS and the ACMC then to access
the CVS a person will have to be financial member of a club that is a financial member
of one of the seven associations/councils on the ACMC. An applicant's registration
documentation will be firstly stamped by the club then sent to the ACMC for a further
stamping before being processed by a RMS office. In effect, for the CVS the RMS is
divesting some registration management responsibilities to the ACMC, and to do this
the ACMC will have to form a new company ACMC Limited. If approached, the RMS
may approve other organisations to operate the scheme.
A consequence of the foregoing is that clubs must remain financial. To ensure that
applications lodged by their members are processed. SMA membership renewals are
payable by 30 June and to facilitate early payment a renewal form will be provided on the website.
No registration cost for a vehicle on the CVS has been determined at this stage, but
discussions so far would indicate it will be similar to that for a vehicle on the current H plate scheme.
On the matter of a new plate for the CVS have not gone the way the ACMC would like
and it appears a “C” or "D" plate will be used. Personalised plates unfortunately will not
be able to be used on CVS vehicles at least for the short term. Incompatibility between
RMS computer systems for full registration and conditional registration are expected to
be overcome eventually making retention of existing plates possible. It is probably
worth storing or transferring plates until this matter is resolved.
Some RMS registry offices have run out of H plates and have issued G plates in lieu.
Expect to see more of these until more H plates are printed.

Comprehensive Insurance

Steve Farmer (Shannons Insurance), addressed the meeting on comprehensive
insurance matters for historic vehicles, in particular, aspects dealing with introduction
of log books. The industry learned a lot from the introduction of log books in Victoria in
2010. NSW has adopted a much more sensible approach with its log book scheme.
Insurers base their premiums on claims relating to demographics, types and age of
vehicles. In Victoria there was no change with the older historic and street rod vehicles,
but there was a noticeable increase in {< accident claims for 1970s and 1980s vehicles,
like Commodores for example. Also in Victoria there were more claims for vehicles on
90 day log books than 45 day log books.
Steve Farmer stated the vehicle insurance industry will review the pattern of accident
claims in NSW at the end of the two-year trial period. Based on the Victorian
experience, country registered vehicles, driven by older persons reflect very little, if
any, change to premiums. Whereas, city registered, later model vehicles driven by
younger enthusiasts have resulted in increased premiums.
There is no change to CTP fees for the next two years.

Log Book Registration Controls

Following on from the insurance aspects of the log book systems. Phil Mudie reminded
delegates that with the introduction of the two log book schemes, it is imperative that
they are not abused. The schemes are for the sole benefit of motoring enthusiasts and
must not be seen as a form of cheap registration.
The ACMC and RMS are looking at means to impose sanctions to stop any abuse of the
schemes. The start point for imposing controls rests with clubs and to deal with
members who overstep the mark.
Complaints about abuse to the system are firstly referred to the relevant Council/
Association, the SMA in our case, then referred to the relevant club to deal with the
matter. Accordingly, clubs should have in their constitution/by-laws, an appointed
member to deal with any sanctions.

The Classic Vehicle Scheme (CVS) Introduction

The announcement on the introduction of the CVS is expected shortly. The scheme is
expected to be for historic vehicles 30 or more years old from manufacture, original or
modified, with inspections as required in VSI6, limited to 3.5 tonnes GVM, and will be
operated with a 60 day log book may only be operated with a 60 day log book as well as
club promulgated events. Further, to be registered under the CVS the vehicle will
require a Blue Slip and have to undergo Pink Slip annual inspections. If a vehicle does
not fit within the RMS HCRS rules for allowable modifications and accessories, then club
registrars should direct that the vehicle be registered through CVS. The details of the
CVS will be clearer when the scheme is announced.
Heavy vehicles, over 3.5 tonnes GVM, will not be allowed onto the CVS. They will have
to remain on and comply with the requirements of the existing H plate scheme. A lot of
discussion on modifications to heavy vehicles followed, generally along the lines of
modifications made to trucks in their early working life, eg original petrol motors
replaced with diesel motors. Delegates agreed this is a "grey area", and maybe best left alone.

Imposition of Sanctions at Club Level

With the introduction of the CVS, clubs will have to look at their role in imposing
sanctions to address any issues of abuse of the scheme, and this may necessitate an
amendment to club constitutions or by-laws.
There may be some recommendations made to clubs by RMS and by the ACMC and we
will pass those on as soon as they are known. It is likely that the provision for sanctions
contained in the CVS will be similar to those in the RVS.
Secretary Tony Stove read to the meeting the wording used in the Rally Vehicle Scheme MOU;

    “Sanctions and removal from the RVS. If it is determined that an Applicant/ registered
    operator/driver has breached the Conditions of Operation, the Approved
    Organisation may determine that the Rally Vehicle and/or Applicant is no
    longer eligible under the RVS. In these instances the Responsible Person may
    request that RMS suspend and/or cancel the Conditional Registration. Detailed
    information supporting the request must also be provided.
    RMS may suspend and/or cancel the Conditional Registration of a Rally Vehicle
    if it is determined that an Applicant/registered operator/driver has breached
    the Conditions of Operation, or if otherwise required under road transport law.
    If RMS determines that an Approved Organisation, Eligibility Committee
    member, Industry Committee member, Industry Representative, Responsible
    Person, Scrutineer, or other Approved Organisation official or management
    staff member has breached the requirements of the RVS, then RMS may
    disqualify that Approved Organisation or person from participating in the RVS.”

Heavy Vehicle Forum

A number of submissions have been received since the last NSWSMA meeting and the
weight of opinion is enough for the NSWSMA to pursue two issues on behalf of the
truck and machinery clubs;

1. The one third load restriction place on H plate vehicles.
2. The question of originality for trucks.

The wording in the RMS conditions for registration implies that the one third limit
applies to all vehicles. The original intent being that it applied to trucks and utes. The
matter has been taken to the ACMC, but they do not see it as an issue because they do
not realise how many truck and machinery are effected.

The NSWSMA will pursue the matter further with the ACMC and in due course the RMS
providing we can show that it matters and there are enough people involved to take it
forward, and our submission must be strong enough to gain attention. The best chance
to lodge the submission will be at the ACMC conference in August. Our truck and
Machinery Forum therefore have to progress this matter in the next month or two to
have a very complete case to get onto the conference agenda. Further, it would help if
the NHMA, or more NHMA clubs in NSW, get involved to add more weight to the

National Transport Regulations

Mark Saunders informed the meeting of a rewrite presently
underway with the Regulations. There will be changes to the importation regulations
for vehicles manufactured overseas pre-1989, and allowable modifications. The draft of
the rewrite should be available to download in June, and he urged members to take a
close look at it. Members agreed the NSWSMA should take an interest in these changes
and raise the matter with the ACMC.

Thanks to Tony Stove, the Secretary of the NSW Southern Motoring Group Inc.
who wrote this information from their meeting.

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